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Post by Nuggets GM (League Commish) on Apr 13, 2013 15:02:48 GMT -5
NBA GM's
One of the things I mentioned a couple months back was changing the scoring to something a little more simple for GM's to follow. Dan (Warriors GM) mentioned that he like DraftStreet's fantasy BB scoring system. I think with just a few small variables that we can tweak ourselves, it's a good scoring system. Here's their scoring system...
PTS = 1
REB = 1.25
AST = 1.5
STL = 2
BLK = 2
MFG = -0.5
MFT = -0.5
TO = -1
The only thing I would like to add to this scoring system is a small 0.25 bonus for Offensive Rebounds, a 0.25 bonus for 3pt FG Made and a very tiny 0.10 bonus for every minute played.
I want to know everyone's thoughts or if anyone else has a scoring system they like better...
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Post by Warriors GM (League Manager) on Apr 14, 2013 18:02:32 GMT -5
Yea, and I think if everyone sees this thread soon enough, you can play some free matchups (1v1 or 1v5) during the Playoffs. It's weekly or daily. Just so you can get a feel for how those numbers make things work out, and watch how the players you choose gain points.
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Post by Clippers GM on Apr 14, 2013 23:24:09 GMT -5
can you add double double and/or triple double?
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Post by Warriors GM (League Manager) on Apr 15, 2013 5:34:07 GMT -5
i think adding bonus points for things like 3s, 2x2s, 3x2s, 5x5s, no misses, no TOs, etc. would be detrimental. that would basically be double-counting. a player scoring a 3 rewards itself by giving 3 pts instead of 2, a dub-dub is also its own reward because you're getting double digits of 2 stats, and so on. giving extra rewards its just unnecessary.
EDIT: same thing with minutes. no need to reward those. if a player gets more minutes, he is rewarded (i.e. rewards the fantasy team he plays for) with more chances to scores FPTS.
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Post by Blazers GM on Apr 16, 2013 16:53:38 GMT -5
can you add double double and/or triple double?
I agree with Clipers we should have this put into play for next year or at least have a league vote
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Post by Warriors GM (League Manager) on Apr 16, 2013 19:50:30 GMT -5
can you add double double and/or triple double? I agree with Clipers we should have this put into play for next year or at least have a league vote In addition to my point that double- and triple-doubles are reward enough in themselves, another thing to consider is... If we were to adopt the DraftStreet rules, they are already tuned for position balance. Since point-rebound double-doubles are far more common than point-assist double-doubles, I think giving bonus points for them would hurt the balance of the league by adding value to big men and taking away value from guards. Triple-doubles are more debatable. For those, though, I feel like they're relatively common for only 2 players in the league (Rondo & James) and otherwise somewhat anomalous. I don't see any concrete reason why they should be rewarded in addition to the inherent reward of having your player stuff the stat sheet. EDIT: Yes, it would be a little more interesting, but it seems like it would just be a novelty without really contributing to the quality of the league. Sort of like adding a 4-point line to the NBA. It would be more entertaining, but it's ultimately unnecessary. |
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Post by Nuggets GM (League Commish) on Apr 16, 2013 22:49:22 GMT -5
I agree with the Warriors, that triple doubles and double doubles are double counting points. And in the case of triple doubles, only a very few handful of players would even qualify and would make those few players even more superior than what they are, creating an unbalance of sorts to the scoring system. It's tough enough already for the teams that have to compete against LeBron's numbers, and to make him an even bigger juggernaut would make it completely frustrating.
I think adding a bonus for offensive rebounds is a must.
I think we could 86 the bonus for 3pt fg made, it's not necessary.
The reasoning behind a reward for minutes played comes from the idea that often times players do things on the court that often times are not counted on the stat sheet. For example, the big guy in the middle of the key who protects the rim and alters shots that's never counted on the stat sheet. If an NBA coach sees fit to utilize a player for deep minutes in a game it's usually a testament of a deep value on the court apart from any statistic (leadership, respect, confidence, veteran presence and specialty skills). Now, I'm not suggesting that that player deserve a whole lot of points, just a token for the extra time and sweat earned by being on the court. If a player is on the court an extra 10 minutes, it's essential a one point bonus for that game. That's kind of my rational behind that.
Let me know what you guys think
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Post by Warriors GM (League Manager) on Apr 17, 2013 21:26:28 GMT -5
I support the extra .25 for offensive rebounds, as those create extra possessions and are understated in their value, yet simple and easy to quantify. Offensive rebounding wins games more often than they're given credit for.
As for minutes, I see and agree with the argument for rewarding minutes played. Let me play Devil's Advocate here for a moment, though. We know certain coaches play their starters for more minutes -- i.e. Thibodeau plays Deng enough for him to lead the league in MPG, but we know that Deng isn't even a top-20 player -- so extra minutes isn't necessarily a reflection of how good a player is. Look at tonight, the last night of the season, for example. Chris Copeland just logged 40 minutes. 40. I wouldn't want him to be the reason why my opponent gets an extra 4 points. That's just one example.
Also, it's theoretically double-counting in the same sense that bonus points for a dub-dub or trip-dub would be double-counting. If a player is getting a ton of minutes, he's probably stuffing the stat sheet.
Again, at face value, I like the idea of adding points for minutes player, but upon deeper analysis, I just don't think it really adds anything substantive. Simplicity is underrated.
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